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War and Peace August 11, 2006

Posted by daveintexas in Current Events, terrorist hemorrhoids.
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I was having an email discussion today with a friend of mine who’s got an isolationist bent about various “War on Terror” subjects, his general impatience with this current unpleasantness in Iraq, his MSM driven slant on why Israel needs to lighten up, his lighthearted disdain for George Bush, and his frolicky yukking it up at various conspiracy themes (just to see if I’ll get pissed).

He’s pretty much gotten past 9/11, which I think is great, cause I like the guy and I don’t want him fretting about what’s being aimed at us. 

Boy did he shake his head when I pointed out that this “blow up airplanes” thing got busted back in 95.

Anyway, he wanted to argue about NSA intercepts and some other crap, and I was all “Article II of the Constitution”, you know, impass, and he dragged up the “but when will the war be OVER?  You know, it was over in 1945”.

We tend to be impatient.

And our enemies know it.  Bin Laden knew it.  Ho Chi Minh knew it.  They were willing to bleed for 30 years to accomplish their goal.

We didn’t get 24×7 news feeds, but we did get news, back in the 40s.  Progress here, setbacks there.  All under one of the heaviest blankets of government-imposed censorship you can imagine.

Actually, you can’t imagine it.  It’s so foreign to us we blanch at the examples thereof.  FDR created the Office of Censorship in 1941.  Asked Byron Price to run it.  Almost 15,000 Americans, sifting through what would be told, what would not.  The Office of War Information created in 1942, to control the flow of information to the public.

FDR loved creating competing interests.  Little habit of his, see OSS and FBI.

For the first 2 years of the war, no photographs of dead American soldiers.  Absolutely banned.  Later allowed, to galvanize American support for the war.

That’s an interesting statement to me.  Galvanize support.

Because it waned folks.  You think your grandma wasn’t like you?  We had our doubts folks.  We were in it with sixteen million Americans.

Can you imagine?

And throughout 1943, and 1944, and even 1945, the outcome was not assured.  The end of it certainly was not known.

Even in August, we had our doubts.  The Japanese mainland?  What would it cost?

Will my brother be killed?  My son? 

My husband?

My son’s father.

They didn’t know about the bomb.  They just knew we were in the fourth bloody year of the “war”, and they were war-weary, and afraid.  And there were many moments when the outcome was in doubt. 

The “end of it”, the date, was in doubt.

It seems like it will never be over.  Sometimes we all say that.  Well.       Good. Evil.  Yeah.

You still fight evil.  You still refuse to let evil have its way. 

That’s what you do.

UPDATE: RightwingSparkle laments that so many refuse fail to comprehend the threat.

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3. Beth - August 11, 2006

God forbid anyone actually be asked to sacrifice anything or give up their selfish “need to know” during wartime, these days. Can you imagine if we had RATIONING like there was during WWII? Hell, I can’t even imagine a draft. It simply can’t happen any more; we’ve become spoiled, “entitled,” lazy, soft. And everyone’s a victim.
Not to mention incredibly, insanely arrogant in the belief that we’re “above” actually doing what it takes to WIN. We’re supposed to be “better than they are,” which is a recipe for defeat and disaster.

4. DaveinTexas - August 11, 2006

I kinda see 3 buck a gallon gas prices as sacrifice.. I know the instability of the fight isn’t the total explanation for it, speculation fuels it too you’ll pardon the pun. Some of it though.

I will push and withdraw my credit card proudly.

5. DaveinTexas - August 11, 2006

oh, and yeah, could we please get tougher about killin?

6. Beth - August 11, 2006

And BTW, most excellent post, ya moron. ;-)

7. DaveinTexas - August 11, 2006

thanky

8. Marvin - August 11, 2006

Goldwater had the right idea for dealing with Iran in ’79
He wanted to be in the lead B-52 and go start a fire that his voters could see in Arizona…..

Grim over at Blackfive.net has an excellent post “On the Virtues of Killing Babies..” He truly explains why civilized people must defeat the Islamofacists.

9. http://crabapple.cc - August 11, 2006

Dave in Texas on War and Peace

Then: media blackout for 2 years. Now: news 24/7.

10. Beth - August 11, 2006

No shit about getting tough about killin’.
And the gas prices? Eh. It’s nothing, compared to what people had to sacrifice during other wars. I even mentioned the gas prices thing in the email discussion I mentioned. We go ballistic because of the gas prices, and it’s not like the prices are going up to support the war effort–it’s because of lots of factors as well as being a side effect of war, but still the idiots blame it on US, as in Americans and McChimpneyburton and Rethugs and Evil Neocons™ and whatever else strikes their fancy.

O’course, it’s easy for me to shrug off the gas prices. I don’t put a ton of miles on my car and I get decent gas mileage. ;-)

11. Beth - August 11, 2006

Marvin, you’re speaking my language. :-D

12. Michael - August 11, 2006

We are poised on the edge of a precipice. Our way forward in Iraq could rival the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu, or it could trigger the defeat of Islamic fascism and the modernization of the Middle East to the benefit of all mankind, for which future generations will applaud our resolve.

13. John - August 11, 2006

Nice, Dave. It’s interesting, the West. Our greatest political strength is also our greatest weakness. A free society is the perfect breeding ground for terrorists seeking to destroy the West. A knowledgeable and informed public get tired of the war sooner.

This was why I was pushing the contract with the western Media a few weeks ago. The media, by self-regulating, can at least curb the anti-war sentiment. And as you say, that is the biggest weapon that A Man with a Dinner Jacket has against us.

14. Think Tankers » Dave in Texas on War and Peace - August 11, 2006

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15. Beth - August 12, 2006

The media, by self-regulating, can at least curb the anti-war sentiment.

But they won’t. I honestly believe that door has been open too wide, for too long. They simply will not self-regulate. Just to start with, being pricks makes money. But that’s not even their primary motivation.

I think that we’re only going to win this thing by accident, when the other team fumbles the ball (self-implodes, reforms, whatever). It kills me to say it, but unless we really get medieval on their asses and start blowing up a lot more shit (including their innocent civilians–women and children as human shields), forget it.

16. daveintexas - August 12, 2006

You can’t “self-regulate” when you’re motivated thusly.

Can’t do it. You get delusional and convince yourself about your objectivity.

17. geoff - August 12, 2006

Good post, Dave. You should keep the historical perspectives coming.

18. dave bones - August 12, 2006

I think that we’re only going to win this thing by accident, when the other team fumbles the ball (self-implodes, reforms, whatever). It kills me to say it, but unless we really get medieval on their asses and start blowing up a lot more shit (including their innocent civilians–women and children as human shields),

Spoken like a real American (apparently) what targets did you have in mind?

This is very simplistic Dave, and comparing the current phoney “war” to world war 2? Where is the enemy on this scale?

19. Warren Bonesteel - August 12, 2006

Until people understand that the only difference between a moderate Muslim and a militant Muslim is a matter of timing, we’re gonna lose this war.

It is very simple. They will kill and enslave us. That has been their publicly stated purpose for more than thirty years. It is caused by nothing that anyone has ever done to them, it is inherent in their religion. It has always been inherent in their religion. The primary purpose of their religion is To Conquer the World for Allah….by whatever means necessary.

Losing this war means that you will die, or if you’re lucky, be enslaved as dhimmi…a second class citizen whose very life is forfeit at a whim by any passing Muslim.

To win this war requires a type of vicious cunning and brutality that most Western people do not presently possess. However, those who wish to destroy us, possess – and have repeatedly demonstrated – vicious cunning and brutality.

This war is simple: kill or be killed…and if you do not take it very personally, and prepare yourself for it, you will not survive it.

20. dave bones - August 12, 2006

yes Mr. Bonesteel but how many of them actually do this? How much funding have they got? EVIDENTLY not a lot is it?

Its not a WAR its T-E-R-R-O-R-I-S-M mr Bonesteel.

21. dave bones - August 12, 2006

am I allowed to use foul language and inslut people over here Dave? I’m a bit constrained by Sparkles rules sometimes…

22. dave bones - August 12, 2006

am I allowed to use foul language and insult people over here Dave? I’m a bit constrained by Sparkles rules sometimes…

23. jayne - August 12, 2006

Thank you, Dave, for bringing this up. For a long time I thought that I was the only person not fully understanding all this. Not nuanced enough. I wanted to ask HZ or Musli, but I was reluctant to show how little I understand. Especially since I live near large Muslim populated areas. I see first hand how different they are. In fact, lately I have been thinking that it will be up to the women to say, “Thus far, and no farther.” Muslim women are treated like cattle. I sometimes think it will be much easier to kill us all than to make American women submit to being treated like that. And that is all part and parcel of the Muslim way of life. And the whole cease-fire thing. If I was in Israel and had gone through so much for so long, a cease-fire would make no sense to me. At least around here, the Muslim population seems to regard any act of accomodation as an act of weakness.

24. jayne - August 12, 2006

Dave, I just read Wicked Pinto’s comment at Muslihoons site and he expressed the same thoughts as you to Muslihoon. Maybe a lot of people are starting to have general misgivings over where all of this is going.
Thank you again for bringing it up.

25. DaveinTexas - August 12, 2006

This is very simplistic Dave, and comparing the current phoney “war” to world war 2? Where is the enemy on this scale?

Simple me Dave. We’ve had wars against stateless enemies before. You can look it up. What if I just didn’t call it “war” and we kept doing what we’re doing, that work for you?

And you have no restrictions here, except if I feel like you’re being an asshole I’ll warn you once then kick you outta the pool.

It’s subjective, my definition of “asshole”. You might call it “simplistic”.

26. dave bones - August 14, 2006

ha ha ha cheers Dave. Kick me out of the pool? You were asking for advice on whether to grout the side on another post.

27. daveintexas - August 14, 2006

So stop yer yammerin and offer up your opinion davebones


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